Please, do NOT shutdown 2G

  • 10 August 2020
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As soon as AT&T shut down 2G I switched to T-Mobile.

Now I am hearing rumors that T-Mobile is shutting down 2G at the end of 2020.

I have an Ebay bushiness unlocking AT&T older phones for use on T-Mobile.  Shutting down 2G will make all these phones useless, creating an unimaginable amount of e-waste and destroying me and many others source of income.

A large amount of people still use these older 2G-only phones, due to their reliability and people disliking the lack of options, poor repairability, and poor build quality in the modern phone market.

Perhaps you can add a fee for 2G service to help keep up the cost of maintaining the older network, but I beg, do NOT shut down 2G.

ESPECIALLY because of the COVID-19 pandemic, it is an incredibly terrible idea to force the shutdown at this moment. Many businesses will not be able to cough up the cost for new equipment that relied on the legacy 2G network.


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Customers can no longer “activate” non-VoLTE devices. AFAIK no time-frame has been set for sunseting 2G & 3G services because IoT users still use them but this does not mean that T-Mobile will maintain more than a very thin layer of these services.

Also, no new 2G or 3G service is being installed, so there are many places with T-Mobile coverage where these devices will not work.

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Customers can no longer “activate” non-VoLTE devices.

Just put my SIM in a 2G only device and it works fine, I think you mean on the old Metro PCs CDMA network? The only thing “activated” in a GSM phone is the SIM card while in CDMA phones the phone itself has to be “activated”

Also, no new 2G or 3G service is being installed.

That’s fine, I just beg that T-Mobile keep the existing 2G network alive. At reduced capacity if needed but as long as it works.

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Tmobile announced this  in 2016.

https://www.t-mobile.com/news/press/att-2g-iot-lifeline

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Tmobile announced this  in 2016.

https://www.t-mobile.com/news/press/att-2g-iot-lifeline


Yes, they said through 2020.

Can we have an update now? I ask T-Mobile to please not shut down 2G come 2021.

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Tmobile is going to shut it down when they feel it’s needed and re-purpose the bandwidth as they see fit.

Tmobile makes more money selling 5G phones than they do 2G.

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Tmobile is going to shut it down when they feel it’s needed and re-purpose the bandwidth as they see fit.

Tmobile makes more money selling 5G phones than they do 2G.


I know. Which is why I suggested a fee for 2G service for those who need it so they can make money.

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There’s no reason Tmobile needs to do this.

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T-Mobile may keep a couple of 2G GSM RFCs running in the guard-bands of band-2 LTE for legacy IoT customers but this is a poor platform for voice and data. Low capacity leads to dropped calls, poor service and unhappy customers. Leaving a 5x5 PCS block dedicated to 2G or 3G is a waste of resources in today’s market.

T-Mobile is really enamored of the next shiny thing. The next phone(s) we buy will all be 5G because we keep phones for 5 years and I’m not sure T-Mobile will still be running LTE 5 years from now. 

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Progress happens. :wink:  Tmobile, as well as the other major carriers, needs to convert those bands so that an ever increasing number of consumers can use a finite amount of bandwidth. More customers can connect to a 5G band than can connect to a 2G or 3G band. Plus they will have a better experience with faster speeds. :smiley:  Basically, this is happening so try to plan for the inevitable.

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P.S. I’m a phone collector. I have phones going back 20 years to my Nokia 2190. I’d like nothing more that to be able to use some of these old beauties for years to come. Already, T-Mobile SIMs are incompatible with some of them, like my old Moto V550. That’s life. We can fuss about it but like @sweetpeach says, “Progress happens.”

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There’s no reason Tmobile needs to do this.


There’s no reason you need to defend destructive consumerism and planned obsolescence.

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Thanks for the opinions everyone. I still disagree with shutting down 2G completely though.

I hope someone from T-Mobile can get us some official and current information about the future of 2G, if any, soon.

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So you’re PO’d that Tmobile is going to put a big dent in your eBay business by upgrading their network by being progressive.

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So you’re PO’d that Tmobile is going to put a big dent in your eBay business by upgrading their network by being progressive.

Shutting down 2G will affect thousands of people and will cause a massive amount of e-waste from perfectly usable phones. It’s not just me. It’s thousands of others who believe in the Right to Repair their own devices and re-using them, rather than nonstop consuming and throwing away.

There’s nothing “progressive” about consumerism and planned obsolescence. It is what’s polluting our planet.

AT&T shutting down 2G was 100% greed based to sell new devices.

I will not judge T-Mobile yet since there is no confirmation they will completely shut down 2G yet.

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You’re an Ebay seller so you’re all about consumerism if you weren’t you wouldn’t be selling on Ebay but donating the phones to needy people.

Don’t come on here spouting virtue when you’re all about is the money.

 

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As soon as AT&T shut down 2G I switched to T-Mobile.

Now I am hearing rumors that T-Mobile is shutting down 2G at the end of 2020.

I have an Ebay bushiness unlocking AT&T older phones for use on T-Mobile.  Shutting down 2G will make all these phones useless, creating an unimaginable amount of e-waste and destroying me and many others source of income.

 

 

BTW, I quit reading your post after this.

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You’re an Ebay seller so you’re all about consumerism if you weren’t you wouldn’t be selling on Ebay but donating the phones to needy people.

Don’t come on here spouting virtue when you’re all about is the money.

 

Now you’re just strawmanning.

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BTW, I quit reading your post after this.

Good. I’ll quit reading yours because you don’t have anything to say other than personal attacks.

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BTW, I quit reading your post after this.

Good. I’ll quit reading yours because you don’t have anything to say other than personal attacks.


Get back over to eBay overcharging people for your service.

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BTW, I quit reading your post after this.

Good. I’ll quit reading yours because you don’t have anything to say other than personal attacks.


Get back over to eBay overcharging people for your service.


FYI I usually list below the price of other listings for the same model of phone.

But this is getting silly, let’s just respect each others opinions and not fight about this anymore.

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BTW, I quit reading your post after this.

Good. I’ll quit reading yours because you don’t have anything to say other than personal attacks.


Get back over to eBay overcharging people for your service.


FYI I usually list below the price of other listings for the same model of phone.

But this is getting silly, let’s just respect each others opinions and not fight about this anymore.


First thing you never do is come on here stating you’re an eBay seller then asking Tmobile to not shut down 2G  because it will kill your business. If you would of avoided that , your request would of sounded more reasonable.

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I’d just like to point out that T-Mobile is the only major US carrier that currently allows customers to use whatever device they want. Verizon requires approved devices and won’t activate a non-LTE device. AT&T dropped 2G years ago and won’t allow BYOD’s access to VoLTE. USCC & CSpire: see Verizon. Maybe Viaero and Union. (Only one Viaero 2G site has been seen on CellMapper in the last year. The last Union 2G site was mapped in 2018.For comparison’s sake, 10 T-Mobile 2G sites have been mapped by CellMapper this year, in my county alone.)

Maybe some ire needs to be directed at the competition for their abandonment of 2G technology.

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I’d just like to point out that T-Mobile is the only major US carrier that currently allows customers to use whatever device they want. Verizon requires approved devices and won’t activate a non-LTE device. AT&T dropped 2G years ago and won’t allow BYOD’s access to VoLTE. USCC & CSpire: see Verizon. Maybe Viaero and Union. (Only one Viaero 2G site has been seen on CellMapper in the last year. The last Union 2G site was mapped in 2018.For comparison’s sake, 10 T-Mobile 2G sites have been mapped by CellMapper this year, in my county alone.)

Maybe some ire needs to be directed at the competition for their abandonment of 2G technology.

Yeah, I give T-Mobile credit for keeping it alive to this day (which is why I switched)

I have iPhone first generation phones which I use sometimes on T-Mobile’s network.  They worked well up until last year, and now the coverage on 2g only is so spotty that it’s basically not usable anyhow.  The iPhone 3g’s which use 3G networks still work fine and will be usable here in AZ, however they were already not working in NY/PA several years ago.  I’d rather keep my devices forever too, but there is a limit and no stopping a business from serving the majority of their customers even though some will be left behind.

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Here sort of lies the problem with ‘keeping 2G’ on newer infrastructure.

I’m not against it, in general, however keeping 2G live/supported would be akin to trying to get a Windows 2003 server image on Azure.

When T-Mobile (and others) have their new 5G gear dropped in.. if it is merely an existing chassis card add on.. then that might be doable.  When it is a replace gear X with gear Y, and Y doesn’t have 2G or room for an extra card which supports 2G… then you have a problem.  Not all sites are built equally either.  Sites like a macro may have more flexibility than a site that is grafted onto a utility pole.

I’ve seen areas that have decommed 3G on PCS to move it to 3G AWS (not all phones support 3G on AWS… most T-Mobile branded ones do).  This was a logistical move, as T-Mobile has 20x20MHz + 5x5MHz of AWS spectrum and 15x15 of PCS.  Moving the 3G to AWS allows for more efficiency of LTE carrier aggregation on AWS (full 20x20) and PCS (15x15). vs. slicing up PCS to 10x10 and requiring an extra carrier aggregation of 20x20 + 5x5 for AWS.

With that… moving 3G to AWS also removed… GSM 2G - as there is no GSM on AWS bands.  This was done a couple years back.

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