Please, do NOT shutdown 2G

  • 10 August 2020
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As soon as AT&T shut down 2G I switched to T-Mobile.

Now I am hearing rumors that T-Mobile is shutting down 2G at the end of 2020.

I have an Ebay bushiness unlocking AT&T older phones for use on T-Mobile.  Shutting down 2G will make all these phones useless, creating an unimaginable amount of e-waste and destroying me and many others source of income.

A large amount of people still use these older 2G-only phones, due to their reliability and people disliking the lack of options, poor repairability, and poor build quality in the modern phone market.

Perhaps you can add a fee for 2G service to help keep up the cost of maintaining the older network, but I beg, do NOT shut down 2G.

ESPECIALLY because of the COVID-19 pandemic, it is an incredibly terrible idea to force the shutdown at this moment. Many businesses will not be able to cough up the cost for new equipment that relied on the legacy 2G network.


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so what youre saying is what TMO posted in the above link was a spoof and they’re just messing with people when it comes to shutting down 2G?

@fireguy_6364 thanks for standing up. I know of people personally that think 2G should be permanently shutdown and how Telekom is just fooling people which I DO NOT BELIEVE and it frustrates me badly when people think like that. No carrier EVER does that! If a carrier is shutting down their older network, THEY GIVE A DATE TO IT, PERIOD! Telekom doesn’t have a set shutdown date for 2G and that’s good, and I don’t get what is so hard to understand if Telekom’s and T-Mobile’s site CLEARLY states that 2G IS STAYING!!!!! Also, 2G isn't taking up frequency because it is run on guard bands of 4G, and LTE and that is another reason it will stay.

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the link “CLEARLY” states that they are also planning on shutting down 2G.they just have not set a date for it..so does everyone listen to what you are saying with nothing really backing it up….or do they listen to what TMO posted about it since its talking about the things theyre doing over here in the U.S and not world wide?

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the link “CLEARLY” states that they are also planning on shutting down 2G.they just have not set a date for it..so does everyone listen to what you are saying with nothing really backing it up….or do they listen to what TMO posted about it since its talking about the things theyre doing over here in the U.S and not world wide?

 

No one has to listen to what I say but in reality, T-Mobile is owned by German Telekom. I understand just like Vodafone in most of it’s countries shuttered 2G but some are keeping it like New Zealand and some of Africa too. However, you have to consider in a day and age of network changes, NOWHERE in the world where Telekom service for people have they shuttered 2G yet, and that goes for US of course too. this should actually prove people that 2G ins’t outdated and it is still staying for a while. In the US where T-Mobile is the last carrier to support 2G and even admit to switching customers to them from AT&T when AT&T was doing it’s horrible thing of forcing customers out and the site still says “if it is 2G or 4G, we will provide the best coverage. This sounds more of what German Telekom said but US T-Mobile said it as well, and this hasn’t been edited either. https://www.t-mobile.com/news/press/att-2g-iot-lifeline.

 

T-Mobile says “We have planned to retire our 2G GSM network as well but no date was set is set, we will update our page with any additional information in the future” is because T-Mobile is simply just telling in a nice way to all of the people that want 2G shut down to stop complaining basically. So while the main German Telekom isn’t shutting down 2G, we can rest assured 2G is staying for a long time in the US as well.

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yeah i’ll stick to the info from this actual year rather than 5+ years ago..

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yeah i’ll stick to the info from this actual year rather than 5+ years ago..

👍 Good for you!

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Update: https://help.redpocket.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000752571-GSMT-Network-upgrades-from-U1900-Frequency-to-LTE RedPocket GSMT has no shutdown date for 2G of course, they did say that 3G when finally shutdown, phones that work on 3G-only will receive calls and texts only on 2G as a fallback. All you like is just buying the latest and greatest and you try to tell to people that buying the latest and greatest and throwing out older stuff is good to do. I am not responding to your comments anymore about this since it turns into an argument.

 

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T-Mobile technically has no obligation to keep / support legacy 2G (GPRS/EDGE) service.  From a pure business perspective, T-Mobile (or anyone else using similar) would have to:

  • ensure that their new/current gear supports 2g 1900
  • continue to pay for support on 2G 1900
  • maintain the infra specifically for 2G (i.e. what happens when someone calls with an issue on their 2G service)
  • keep a slice of 1900MHz dedicated for 2G
  • get literally no revenue for their trouble (i.e. how many people are using EDGE/GPRS today in the US ?)
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T-Mobile technically has no obligation to keep / support legacy 2G (GPRS/EDGE) service.  From a pure business perspective, T-Mobile (or anyone else using similar) would have to:

  • ensure that their new/current gear supports 2g 1900
  • continue to pay for support on 2G 1900
  • maintain the infra specifically for 2G (i.e. what happens when someone calls with an issue on their 2G service)
  • keep a slice of 1900MHz dedicated for 2G
  • get literally no revenue for their trouble (i.e. how many people are using EDGE/GPRS today in the US ?)

No one said T-Mobile, or I should say “Deutsche Telekom" “HAS TO" keep 2G, they are keeping 2G for IoT devices like alarm systems, vending machines, and M2M applications and because they care for the customers. I know that 2G doesn't get good coverage for voice anymore because my Nokia 3390 I put my RedPocket GSMT SIM card into from Galaxy Note 9 a lot, and it works decent but gets very spotty signal which is ok in my opinion because even 4GLTE isn't much better either. 2G is run on LTE guard bands and is not taking up any frequency because LTE is also 1900 MHz so that's also why 2G is staying with very limited forms of it. On T-Mobile's site for them giving stranded AT&T IoT customers a chance they talk about their 2G network and that it is as of 2016 a “spectrum-efficient 2G GSM network"

https://www.t-mobile.com/news/press/att-2g-iot-lifeline

 

I don't really see Deutsche Telekom really shutting down 2G, as in favor of 4GLTE network or 5G, at least shutting down 3G will mean that there is freed up spectrum for the newer networks and devices that used to work on 3G-only mode will after July 1 2022 now only work on 2G which is better than absolutely nothing, and also better than throwing away electronics that can be used otherwise like my Nokia 3390.

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Fortunately, Deutsche Telekom is in Germany.  T-Mobile is in the US.  T-Mobile USA (TMUS) will, at some point shut down 2G.  As to when, I don’t know.  As to ‘throwing away electronics that can be used’.. You can keep it, and put it away somewhere, or purchase a WiFi hotspot.  Just as 8 track, Beta/VHS and even cassette players (even CD players) have been obsoleted.   Non-standard chargers, old SIM cards that were limited, network security issues, and power consumption to run basically a non-used network all goes against it.  If you wish to trade in your old GSM phone, T-Mobile does give out 5G (Samsung A32) which still supports 2G service.

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Fortunately, Deutsche Telekom is in Germany.  T-Mobile is in the US.  T-Mobile USA (TMUS) will, at some point shut down 2G.  As to when, I don’t know.  As to ‘throwing away electronics that can be used’.. You can keep it, and put it away somewhere, or purchase a WiFi hotspot.  Just as 8 track, Beta/VHS and even cassette players (even CD players) have been obsoleted.   Non-standard chargers, old SIM cards that were limited, network security issues, and power consumption to run basically a non-used network all goes against it.  If you wish to trade in your old GSM phone, T-Mobile does give out 5G (Samsung A32) which still supports 2G service.

You need to research more about who owns T-Mobile before you tell me anything. It is laughable you said “Fortunately “Deutsche Telekom” is in Germany, and why is it fortunate? Deutsche Telekom owns T-Mobile not by 100% but they do own it either way. Deutsche Telekom renamed the company to T-Mobile USA back in 2001, and while German Telekom doesn’t own 100% of T-Mobile, it still owns it either way and there is no denying it. There is no denying that T-Mobile is indeed a European carrier as well. You can go on eBay and look up some T-Mobile model phones and you will see some T-Mobile phones outside of the US like in Germany or Hungary, etc.

 

Another thing, you telling me that I can trade in my old GSM phone for a Samsung Galaxy A32 is just laughable 🤣🤣🤣🤣because you are telling me I need to get a phone that is built worse than the GSM phone it is taking over like my Nokia 3390 which is a T-Mobile version of the Nokia 3310 NOT in disguise, (looks exactly like a 3310) research it. The 3310 is indestructible, GizmoSlip on YouTube almost 4 years ago shot a bullet to the 3310 and the phone LITERALLY SURVIVED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xEJCsdNqqI&t=84s. As for the modern Samsung phones, I have plenty of these Samsung Galaxy A-series phones or even the flagship S-series phones come into my repair shop with blank screens almost ALWAYS and I am annoyed of it of course!!!!! It sounds like you are telling me that I can still continue using my Nokia and there is no reason for me to change my Nokia or trade it in for a Samsung Galaxy A32 as that phone has 2G built into it 🤣. Because I already have a Galaxy Note 9 for crying out loud, and it is the best phone I had in my life, alongside my Nokia 3390. I don’t need a 5G crap phone that is really fragile and will go blank screen on me.

 

You saying that Beta/VHS is obsoleted, which I agree, but it doesn’t mean you can’t use them still. There were Ukrainian guys working with a casette tape also and trying to retrieve footage from it, CD’s are NOT OBSOLETE because a PS5 still comes with a Disk edition version, and I am sure there are other applications where CD’s still come and handy, same with Beta/VHS. I understand CD’s and Beta/VHS are obsolete but YOU CAN STILL USE THEM! No one makes them useless! 5% of people use a 2G GPRS or EDGE phone but  just like you can still use VHS/BETA or CD’s once in a while, this is the same with T-Mobile supporting 2G with no shutdown date so we can go back to out older mobile devices once in a while!  Or use our old alarm systems, and M2M machines stay running

 

Get your facts straight! Think what you type before you actually send it!

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https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TMUS/holders?p=TMUS

TMobile is a US company,  which has ownership to DT.  That being said, it is not Deutsche Telekom.  Just like Sprint wasn't Softbank, but a US company that had part ownership by foreign entities. 

I never expected TMobile to have GSM on anything but 1900MHz.  3g AWS was used a while back near me as they had extra non contiguous spectrum  in AWS, and carrier aggregation wasn't set up on handsets.  This allowed for maximum efficiency on LTE for PCS and AWS and 3g on AWS, while disabling GSM.

Just.to be.clear, I'm not against GSM, but at the same time, you may want to petition something like the FCC, not TMobile.   Just like beta/vhs require an adapter for TV, you may want to look into a Hotspot that can take 4g/5g and run 2g for your personal requirements of using 2g. 

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Just.to be.clear, I'm not against GSM, but at the same time, you may want to petition something like the FCC, not TMobile.   Just like beta/vhs require an adapter for TV, you may want to look into a Hotspot that can take 4g/5g and run 2g for your personal requirements of using 2g. 

From your previous replies to other people, I thought you were completely against 2G and you were someone that is just like some people on this chat however, I see that FCC is a regulator more for communications for radios, satellites, cable services, but in reality, I didn’t see that they are so much for mobile devices it seems like besides sending out notifications to them for dangerous weather, child kidnapping, and dangerous events. They aren’t what looks to be for controlling the networks, because I typed in the search bar for Network shutdown on their site and nothing really appeared. Like AT&T shutting down 2G in 2016, they weren’t obligated to shut it down, they just decided themselves cause they are stupid and want people on the latest and greatest, so following 5 years and 21 days later, they also shut down 3G in Feb 22 2022. T-Mobile is hanging on to 2G for those 3G devices to fall back and work on very basic use for calling and texting. Also, for 2G-only devices of course so they also stay operational as well, and they have no physical plans of shutting it down either. I think what T-Mobile is doing is to make 2G more for IoT/M2M use, but not really for great mobile cell coverage. If anyone wants mobile coverage from 2G, that is a option as well if you want a basic phone for getting away from social media and all the notifications.

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I have used 2G TDMA/AMPS, as well as GSM. (Motorola Timeport P7382i), Siemens S46 and others.  I don’t have an issue with 2G itself, and in general, like HAM radio, I don’t typically enjoy the ‘planned obsolescence’ of product.  At the same time, I’m not all for keeping something that is currently being pushed to keep running because people haven’t planned to update something that is using licensed spectrum ($$$), legacy equipment, and many more security flaws.  As far as power requirements… GSM was great, very low power consumption (battery could last a week - easily).  Personally, I know of at least one site that’s 2G GPRS only (not even EDGE).  According to T-Mobile (Advanced Technical support), this as well as others will be decommed at the end of June, and replaced within the next year.

TBH, iDEN would have probably been a better tech for low power thin channels of use than GSM.  25KHz channels vs. 200KHz, and backed by a vendor (Motorola licensed tech - might be part of Lenovo now).

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At the same time, I’m not all for keeping something that is currently being pushed to keep running because people haven’t planned to update something that is using licensed spectrum ($$$), legacy equipment, and many more security flaws.

 

This is just getting ridiculous, Good for you then I guess. You don’t like T-Mobile supporting legacy equipment, it’s your opinion but you won’t change my mind, and a few other people’s minds in this conversation. This conversation was more made for people like me or like minded who don’t want 2G to go away, and are ok with it staying even in small limited forms. But unfortunately more people like you come here to bash, and put us down for our opinion. We shouldn’t be forced to use the latest and greatest if we don’t want, it’s not only phones or mobile devices such as tablets but again, it’s alarm systems, M2M machines etc. 

 

Because 2G is living in the 4GLTE guard bands is why T-Mobile is keeping it alive as takes up pretty much no frequency with LTE! For crying out loud, even T-Mobile calls it a spectrum efficient 2G GSM operation 

 

No wonder no one is replying to this topic anymore, it’s because it all turns into an argument just because me and people like-minded like to share what we know is right and that we think it is right that T-Mobile is keeping 2G alive so older tech can still remain operation so we can play around with it once in a while if we want, and so older 3G devices as well can fallback to 2G and still remain operational so they continue being usable. I am not going to talk to you or reply to you about this anymore because it turns into a big disagreement and kind of an argument too.

 

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Keeping a system which has been sunset by vendors in the US alive so that you can “play around once in a while” with old gear makes no business sense.  Who would support 2g at TMobile?  if those alarms don't get triggered what would be the recourse.   places would be better to get a Hotspot and run wifi at this point for a business needing security.

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Customers can no longer “activate” non-VoLTE devices.

Just put my SIM in a 2G only device and it works fine, I think you mean on the old Metro PCs CDMA network? The only thing “activated” in a GSM phone is the SIM card while in CDMA phones the phone itself has to be “activated”

Also, no new 2G or 3G service is being installed.

That’s fine, I just beg that T-Mobile keep the existing 2G network alive. At reduced capacity if needed but as long as it works.

I do too! I completely agree here with your last statement so 2G stays in limited forms of itself but not completely shutdown EVER.

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I have an Ebay bushiness unlocking AT&T older phones for use on T-Mobile.  Shutting down 2G will make all these phones useless, creating an unimaginable amount of e-waste and destroying me and many others source of income.

By the way, how is your eBay business of unlocking phones going? I hope it is going well! Please don’t listen to any negative comments 😉

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For those looking to where T-Mobile still has 2G…

https://maps.t-mobile.com/pcc.html?map=mvno-roamd-2

Similarly 2G / 3G / 4G LTE

https://maps.t-mobile.com/pcc.html?map=mvno-roamd-34

and all the above

https://maps.t-mobile.com/pcc.html?map=mvno-roamd-5

here to hope that they wont shut down 2G. I am a customer until that point. I Have 3 lines, 2 with Tomobile and have an IPHONE 13s plus my startac motorola.

I would pay premium if I can keep my 2G line. I dont mind...

 

Maybe they can shut down Sometime is 2030 like in Germany. I can work wit that :)

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here to hope that they wont shut down 2G. I am a customer until that point.

 

Maybe they can shut down Sometime is 2030 like in Germany. I can work wit that :)

Yeah thankfully T-Mobile isn’t shutting down 2G from what it seems, RedPocket mobile (which operates on T-Mobile, AT&T, and Verizon towers), states it as well: https://help.redpocket.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000752571-GSMT-Network-upgrades-from-U1900-Frequency-to-LTE. There has been no shutdown date set and that is because T-Mobile’s coverage is still to see improvements and also because T-Mobile works with lower income customers unlike AT&T shutting their network forcefully making many people move to newer technologies and some lose their cell service with unfortunately majority the elderly affected that don’t know or don’t want to use a smartphone. There are groups of older people or younger people using flip phones that work only on 2G or 3G, and me mentioning 3G is because those phones can at least fall back to 2G to still make an emergency call or be used wherever coverage is still there for 2G.

 

Technology wise 2G is old, but by infrastructure structures it isn’t really old at all. AM and FM radio still exists so why does 2G have to completely go as well? 2G is 30+ years old but AM radio towers are 130 years old and FM is about 90, and both still exist with no cancellation dates of course. So 2G will stay as well as it is able to run along side LTE. Even when 6G comes out, it won’t shocking 2G will still be here as a basic network existing for industrial Machines, and for Internet of Things devices such as older alarm systems, and for navigation on cars.

 

Speaking of Germany’s 2G network, I haven’t read anywhere that they are shutting down their network completely by 2030. I know most operators in Germany are shutting down 2G by 2025 and some a little later however I haven’t seen German Telekom state their 2G shutdown on their site. German Telekom again, shut down 3G last year, and it owns T-Mobile so I am  surprised T-Mobile US is also keeping 2G alive and only encourages people to upgrade to newer mobile phones for better coverage and voice quality, than to forcefully switch-off the network making yet again lots of people lose their service, especially since T-Mobile migrated so many customers from AT&T when AT&T was killing 2G in 2016.

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I would pay premium if I can keep my 2G line. I dont mind...

I would like to keep my smartphone which is my Samsung Galaxy Note 9, and when 4GLTE network gets turned off, at least 2G will still be here and I can put my Note 9 onto GSM only mode in the phone dialer when I type in *#*#4636#*#* which not only will be great so I can keep my handset forever, but I can save battery life. My Note 9 lasts me all day and the battery is brand new with a screen replacement I did on it that included a battery, which means that it will last me down to 36% till 10:30pm from 8:30am 3 hour usage. Also, not to forget to mention that I can put my Note 9 in the settings that wherever 4GLTE signal is not available but only 2G is there, 2G comes handy for sending a quick text or for emergency calls if your battery is getting really low! 2G switch-off means that it will make every single phone even 5G phones more useless!

 

T-MOBILE, PLEASE DO NOT SWITCH OFF 2G!!!!!!!

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I want to state that I actually like 4GLTE and I don’t mind 5G either and i think they should expand coverage to more areas so more people can get better service at their house to make a call or text (me included 😉), but I am NOT AT ALL supporting the movement of shutting down 2G GSM completely because 2G has been living in the LTE channels for about 6 years now, and right now it is alive in the guard-bands of LTE (as LTE is 1900MHz and 2G is 1900MHz), and it can forever run in the guard-bands of LTE, 2G is a very spectrum-efficient network because of that and is also an efficient network in general meaning that incase you need that extra battery life out of your LTE device, or 5G telephone or tablet, (while smart-phones have got impressive battery life that I think they are better than a Nokia 3310 and they can last days of heavy use) incase you absolutely need longer battery life out of your phone, you certainly have the freedom to put it on ONLY GSM operation so your phone won’t be draining because of a powerful demanding signal that way it makes 4GLTE and 5G mobile handsets, and tablets more usable. 4GLTE and 5G are good and all, but we need to keep 2G as a very basic fallback network that      JUST      SIMPLY    WORKS     AND     GETS      THE       EFFICIENT       JOB      DONE      WHEN     ABSOLUTELY       NEEDED!!!!!!!!!

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here to hope that they wont shut down 2G. I am a customer until that point.

 

Maybe they can shut down Sometime is 2030 like in Germany. I can work wit that :)

German Telekom again, shut down 3G last year, and it owns T-Mobile so I am  surprised T-Mobile US is also keeping 2G alive and only encourages people to upgrade to newer mobile phones for better coverage and voice quality, than to forcefully switch-off the network making yet again lots of people lose their service, especially since T-Mobile migrated so many customers from AT&T when AT&T was killing 2G in 2016.

 

I have said in an earlier message by mistake that i’m surprised 2G is staying but as I was editing the message I forgot to edit that part I meant to say I AM NOT surprised that T-Mobile is keeping 2G

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