So still haveing issues with coverage



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Yea its probably what i would do if i decide to switch since my 2nd phone is already on a AT&T line its my non business phone that only a select few people know about in terms of its phone number.

Well if you do decide to jump ship, you might as well pick Verizon over AT&T. They are essentially the exact same price with Verizon having superior coverage/speed.

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i'm aware of how it currently it is hopefully this gets addressed from what was mentioned above. Even AT&T does well if you check root metrics and cell mapper.

I wouldn't have high hopes. I just made comparative screenshots for Speeds found in your area mentioned with T-Mobile vs Verizon from Rootmetrics. You'll like this:

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Yea i was told that they are improving capacity so hopefully that means they are focusing on back haul. I know the tower in Ellwood which is the congested one doesn't have anything else going on for it so my only hope is that when they improve the other towers in the area it will relieve some of the traffic away from the ellwood tower.

However there is no hope and you should not ever expect your speed issues to be resolved. Like I said, I've been complaining to T-Mobile for well over a year about speed issues and in so many words I've been told by multiple people that there is "No plans to upgrade that tower"

Your results make perfect sense. T-Mobile's bands 2 and 12 are only 5MHz wide. I think in some places their band 2 is 10MHz. Band 4 in most large markets is 20MHz wide, 15MHz in others.

This is why you will generally see higher speeds on Band 4. HOWEVER, bandwidth doesn't always mean speed of the tower's backhaul is crap.

I have not been very impressed with T-Mobile's Band 12 at all. It usually does not give any usable speeds and when it works while indoors in any building, it's usually only good for making VoLTE phone calls.

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So just wanted to mention a update i did some heavy testing on monday and was able to run speed tests on bands 2,4, and 12. The results where pretty interesting. So when i was connected to the ellwood tower it made no difference if the test was on band 2 or band 12 both beared un usable results. If i forced the device to connect to band 4 speeds seemed to always be good however in regards to Elwood that is not to feasible and regards to Koppel this only works for a small portion of the town.

I should also mention that when i am connected to band 12 in Chippewa speeds are decent enough about 2mb down which makes me pleased to see. all and all it seems like band 12 is lighting up fairly quickly and that is good i suppose although i'm more excited about the fact that they are also doing work on some old 2g towers and converting to LTE. At least thats what the rep i spoke to named Donald told me which should have a much greater impact to my data woes then the band 12 so everyone keep your fingers crossed there may still be hope.

Quote: "Just don't fall for VZW's game of renaming everything to make it their exclusive. XLTE is nothing special.  T-Mobile has been using advanced LTE features longer than VZW, they just didn't think it necessary to give it a trademarked name."

T-Mobile is just as guilty of the same scheme, only in reverse. Verizon built their LTE network using 700MHz what T-Mobile calls "Extended Range LTE" and then later added Band 4 to increase capacity.

Anyway, I just did some tests which are repeatable with the same results every time unless it's 3AM. One of them is actually LTE Advanced with, although a very usable speed, isn't very impressive for LTE Advanced. Notice the first tower ID 259 has decent performance, and ID 388 is dog slow. This is how it's been for OVER A YEAR. Only recently has ID 259 been "fitted" with LTE Advanced. ID 388 doesn't do 3-Bands. Just shows how sloppy T-Mobile rolls out their network. I was able to "force" these different tower IDs by walking to different sides of my apartment here in Bensalem, PA.

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So i took a really close look doing as you mentioned and i saw that my area does indeed have band 12 already live which i will try and force my device to connect to when i come home i was currious about something though. Should my device be able to CA bands 2 and 12 together (nexus 6p) or does it lack said functionality.

On T-Mobile's coverage map, you start off telling it you have a non-band-12 phone (e.g. iPhone 6), then zoom in until you get different levels of service. It has a notice on the upper left asking if you'd like to see the coverage you'd get with a newer device. You click that link and get a pop-up with side-by-side comparisons of how a band-12 phone would work vs a non-band-12 phone. If there's a significant difference, then the are has band-12. This works in rural areas that aren't fully blanketed with coverage. It won't work in NYC or L.A.

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In Koppel you generally connect to band 2 unless you go down past 3rd ave where you can force your phone to pick up band 4 from a little ways away. The band 2 signal is the one that connects to the tower in Elwood and is always congested and its also the one that my phone connects to unless i specify otherwise since the other connection is not strong enough to be stable. The band 4 actually pulls about 8mb down if you can get it to connect. I understand the point of band 12 and i understand that T-mobile got into the game late but it doesn't excuse how poorly they let a singular tower perform. I also don't thing band 12 will make as much of a diffrence as i was told it will make since its not a matter of coverage but how said coverage performs. Ill wait and see and maybe eat my own words but i don't know. Also I don't think i am in a fringe area i get 4-5 bars of service pretty reliably. Ill double check with band 12 when i get home today or when i head to chippewa. I know that the girl i spoke to said it had been deployed on one of the towers.

Just curious but how can you tell if a area has band 12 useing t-mobile actual coverage map.

What T-Mobile is trying to do is to catch up with companies who have a 20-year head start plus the built-in advantage of wireline incumbency. They're peddling as fast as they can but still have a long way to go. Around Koppel, PA they have deployed bands 2, 4 & 12 but not all in an even, consistent way. Band-12 serves one purpose, bands 2 & 4 serve a different purpose. In PA, if you are getting only band 12 it's because there's no other signal that will reach you and you're in a T-Mobile "fringe" area.  That alone is something to consider.

Tmobile actually is rated very well for their data

https://opensignal.com/reports/2016/08/usa/state-of-the-mobile-network/

They just don't have as good of coverage in rural areas.

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hmm intresting i don't know alls i know is this in the real world T-mobile does phenomnial to this day in the city however AT&T and Verizon consistently destroy T-mobile in almost everything from call quality to data speeds. Maybe its because people on T-mobile are like me and use there phone a lot or something but i don't know. When i'm on school the LTE is great which is nice but so is everyone else except sprint. Also i know with AT&T my phone CA to 2 different bands in this area so speeds are pretty good most the time. I think what would help T-mobile more then anything for my little town of koppel is if they could deploy band 4 with 2 instead of haveing band 12.

AFAIK, they are only "sitting on" some AWS-3 licenses. Everyone is sitting on those licenses because the handsets to use that band are just now beginning to become available. VZW actually has a pretty good reputation for putting their licensed spectrum to use and not just sitting on it.

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Verizon

Which "they'?

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They are sitting on a lot of frequencies though aren't they?

VZW does not actually have "a lot more spectrum" than T-Mobile in many areas. What they do have is a nationwide 700 MHz 10x10 block for LTE (band 13), plus a lot of 850 MHz cellular in most areas. This allows them to provide good coverage with many fewer towers than T-Mobile has (until fairly recently) been able to get away with. Orlando, FL is one area where T-Mobile has more spectrum than VZW, (I think).

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Yeah i spoke with Verizon and could get a discount through my mom's job if i decided to so i could get their 24gb+2gb plan for what i'm paying now which is practically having unlimited data for all intents and purposes since in general i only use like 20gb or so of data per month. Also i realize this the only difference is that Verzion has a lot more spectrum to make use of and as such the benefits are more obvious when they implement said tech. As mentioned earlier i plan to wait a while longer i give T-mobile till the beginning of summer/mid spring. The reason i pick that time is because thats when all the people will start comeing to the race track again and service will truly be unusable if they don't get their act together. I just pray it doesn't come to that because again as i will constently say i like t-mobile alot as a company and the benefits that they provide i just hate that they are letting their service degrade like the olden days ( think Verizon 2011 or AT&T when the iPhone came out). I know this is just growing pains again but i never remember any carrier getting to state that the coverage is in currently.

Just don't fall for VZW's game of renaming everything to make it their exclusive. XLTE is nothing special.  T-Mobile has been using advanced LTE features longer than VZW, they just didn't think it necessary to give it a trademarked name.  The unlimited data passes are only good for a day. I don't think VZW could handle unlimited data. They've been doing everything possible to get rid of their legacy UDP customers. My only comments about VZW were that they now have plans that don't charge overages, but rather throttle you data instead, and some people say they can get discounted VZW plans which they consider to be competitive with non-discounted T-Mobile plans.

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Your right i saw that they are adding 2gb of data per line that you add and i see that they have XLTE here as well. It looks pretty sick plus the unlimited data passes are nice even if its not truly unlimited data. If i'm lucky i will see Verizon offer true unlimited data again and that will probably be the thing that makes me switch. I still want t-mobile to do well ofcourse because there competition has made it better for all consumers which is wonderful.

John Legere without a doubt has completely changed the industry and I commend him for that. Verizon has lowered prices and is offering bigger data sizes to fit my needs as well as getting rid of overages. As much as I was rooting for T-Mobile near the beginning, I just cannot deal with not having a usable service outside of metro areas.

Trust me, I DID NOT want to have to switch to Verizon, but since T-Mobile has not improved at the rate I as hoping they would by nearly 2017, I have to move on to a more reliable service.

There are those that say they now get as good a deal from VZW as from TMO after you take into account some of VZW's generous employer/affinity discounts. Also, VZW now has plans that throttle when you max your data, rather than charging overages. John Legere said he was out to change the industry and it looks like he's succeeded. 

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i hope you are wrong i really and i mean really like T-mobile plans. Also up until the point of congestion i was pretty happy because the service worked where i cared about most. However i do believe Verizon will work out well since it would seem you do more in state travel then i do. T-mobile worked well for me because they had coverage where i needed it and i tend to hover around those areas with not much variation. However i find myself in the mean time useing my AT&T phone more and being very frugal with data which really sucks. I really much rather see T-mobile thrive and i believe they will fix it since i have went through all the proper channels and has to be on someones radar.

Also let me know how Verizon is price wise like what you end up haveing to pay i know the service will obviously be good but ill be curious to see how much you pay and how they treat you.

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